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Why we need to talk about SuB.

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Colonel_Graff, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Colonel_Graff

    Colonel_Graff http://www.brawl.com/games/ctf/lookup/188857/
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    Hey guys-

    As you know, I’m not a PVPer (I think I got my single kill by accident), but looking at last week’s KOTH, it was pretty bad.

    SuB has won 4 of the 5 KOTHs since the reset. Last week, @Carnotauros tried to organize a group of players to oppose SuB, but couldn’t find the bodies. @TheMel0n valiantly went in to a 10 v 1 situation, only to get rekt. No one was able to kick SuB off the platform during KOTH, and it ended up being very quick and with few fights.

    This domination by a single team makes KOTH no fun. Making this worse is the fact that KOTH is the only time some SuB members log in (Like SkittleCooki). They log in, fight, collect loot, vault it, log out and are untrackable for the rest of the week. This might be fun for them, but no fun for the rest of us.

    I have three possible solutions to this.

    The first is that KOTH admittance should at least be earned, and you can’t log on once a week just for KOTH. Maybe there’s an entrance fee (50-100 gold), something you can earn if you are on the server at least a few hours outside of KOTH (and therefore run the risk of being tracked).

    The second is to limit teams to 8 or fewer players. 10 player teams might be too big (or at least limit team size proportionally to the owners rank). Having such a large team is part of the problem and no one except @TheMel0n wants to 10 v 1.

    And finally, the KOTH loot could be proportional to the time KOTH takes. I think a better prize would be XP bottles that have XP that’s the seconds that KOTH takes. If KOTH is over right away (2000 seconds), and you win, then you get a 2000 xp bottle (approx 37 levels). If it takes longer then you get more XP. This means that a KOTH like we had this week would have netted little for SuB, whereas a KOTH with many players would have made a bigger prize to go after. Also KOTH loot is pretty much random and no one wants to be the guy that gets that single set after going through three.

    I’m not anti-SuB, I just want the KOTH to be fun for everyone.
     
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  2. Jeenss

    Jeenss Ex-Raid Mod

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    Yeah, there's definitely something wrong with KoTH's right now - or maybe it just doesn't fit the current playerbase?
    "This might be fun for them" - No, the KoTHs are not really fun for us, cus we have to camp on a platform for 33 minutes, while getting snowballed and stone-sworded. We'd much rather fight other people.
    The KoTH fee thing has potential, imo. Maybe there would have to be a buy-in for teams or for players, which would go into the pot. Would definitely encourage other people to join.
    The team cap shouldn't be at 10 right now. Yeah, I can see the downsides of decreasing it, but for the current events, 10-man teams are too large. I think the cap should be at 6-8. However, this would lead to trucing at events.
    Change rewards? Yes, but not to xp bottles. 10 keys for the winner is too much though.

    But there's one thing you got wrong. We don't need to talk about SuB, we need to talk about every other team/the playerbase. I wouldn't say that SuB is too stronk. I'd say that every other team is inconsistent. monkaS
     
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  3. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    The problem is not in SuB, the problem is on other teams. I have said this millions of times, organize ur teams better, don’t just group up at 1 team at koths and leave straight away after that. Grind armor week before the koth starts. It is definitetly our fault that other teams are not organized at all and can’t be bothered to do anything about that...
     
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  4. qiw

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  5. SaltWood

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    I guess raid just doesn't have the amount of players for a KOTH to have multiple coordinated teams to fight for.
     
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  6. Jum

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    So we're talking about SuB cos we're the ones winning? idk but i havent logged on to the past 1 or 2 koths (dont remember) but the one i had logged onto we were heavily outnumbered but still won lol. we were extremely unorganized aswell, some of us not even having sharp 3s when the koth had started. i dont think ur taking into account that some of our members are just skilled xd
     
  7. Colonel_Graff

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    Sad

    And close to true

    I was on last night, and for a while it was just @PoopWrangler and I on the whole map. I’ve been asked why I don’t track, and it’s because there have been too few players on the map. There are far fewer bases and active players, especially since the reset was only a month ago. I’ve been derping in an area that, 3-4 years ago, was littered with bases, but now I’m only finding a handful. Player counts in the 6-12 range is pretty common when I’ve been on (outside of KOTH and The End event).
     
  8. CoCaptainBlue

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    The problem is getting players who are koth active. I mean skid is not active. Mel0n or Manta doesnt have the player base even if they team. and thats all the main teams done.
     
  9. CalledRainer

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    Wrong manta is not willing to cooperate. Thats it and even if you are you have 1 or 2 players.
     
  10. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Well-Known Member

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    we had 3 and were ready at koth. Carno and I agreed even with Mel0n + Manta's 3 we would get reacked.

    We are trying to get 5 on for koth. But i dont think we could do much better
     
  11. SpeederPvP

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    SuB has more skilled players than any active team right now. Maybe if my team was active we could have some good team fights.
     
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  12. Sealdier

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    Well tbh only good players left are all in sub so thats probably something to
     
  13. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    Every single map we've had different members, we are actually doing something about that we are getting members to our team.
    I don't think no1 else is doing that, putting all that time and effort to find new members. What is my advice, the good pvpers/trackers join with the rest good pvpers/trackers so, l2p :grinning:
     
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