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Pvp is not the same anymore

Discussion in 'Raid' started by Tuumai, Apr 10, 2018.

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You think pvp should be changed?

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  2. No -1

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  1. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    Ok so, ''Raid is the essence of a HARDCORE survival mode.'' Pvp on a raid isn't the same anymore, people wearing 2 or even 3 sets on fights, bringing 5 gabs, and every single way to kite out from a fight. Pvp is not the same as it used to be, not the good old same hardcore pvp.

    I understand that people have always brought debuffs and gabs but, now It's just too broken. People bring 4 sets of debuffs, more than 1 gab, enderpearls, cobwebs, sponges, picks, obsidian and many other things.
    I know you guys will say ''you can bring too and make it ''fair'' no, pvp has never been like this, never ever before the time I've played for almost 4 years now. Never got bored on pvp in raid, now the only thing I have enjoyed on raid is getting boring.

    I don't know how to get this thing ''fixed'' does someone else hate this? I don't know. Any ideas?

    ''Raid is the essence of a HARDCORE survival mode.'' It's not the same good old soup hardcore pvp server.




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  2. xGhale

    xGhale HG‘s Doom guy

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    You know, I'd honestly play Raid more if certain aspects such as cobwebs and the 200 million pots per fight were removed or nerfed a little. Feels far too little like old-school Hardcore and much more like some kind of UHC or HCF server.
     
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  3. hmu

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    I honestly can agree. Sadly, I don't know if anything can be done to change it.
     
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  4. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    Totally 100% agreed, but, I don't think the strenght and speed pots shouldn't be changed if you meant them by ''pots''. Yeah, the cobwebs and other things should be changed.
     
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  5. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n BRAWL GET SOME ADVERTISMENT PLZ

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    Ban CalledRainer and other ppl who do stuff like him and everything will be fine.
     
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  6. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member
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    I think this is a major problem with the game and makes it less hardcore like you said. Perhaps there could be a requirement of having 25 soups in your inventory while you PvP in p4 so you can only take the extra necessities. Not sure how that could be coded though but I agree, it does need changing.
     
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  7. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    I don't think banning half of the server would work now. What I would do is that making that, having 2 sets on inventory bannable. Enderpearls disabled(fully) making that, if you don't have spawn protection you can't use sponges.
     
  8. Jeenss

    Jeenss Ex-Raid Mod

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    I don't like it either, but bringing all of this stuff gives you a huge advantage over the players who don't. Ideas will still be listened to, though. This won't be changed, unless a change is made.
     
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  9. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    What do you think of that what I said to Themel0n?
     
  10. TheMel0n

    TheMel0n BRAWL GET SOME ADVERTISMENT PLZ

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  11. Jeenss

    Jeenss Ex-Raid Mod

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    Rules like that are hard for the staff to enforce, and makes the gamemode overcomplicated, due to how many ways there are to bypass this. E-pearls would also lose their value, which I'm not a big fan of.
     
  12. NoHacksJustCooki

    NoHacksJustCooki Active Member

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    I 100% agree on this. From the beginning of raid's KOTHs you can see how pvp has changed. It is one change at a time, and these build up of changes is what has made raid too different to what we all used to know. The extra sets, the hundreds of debuffs, the sponges, the pickaxes, the obsidian, and so much more is just too much! And may I bring to your attention that raid is a soup pvp server, yet how many soups do you see in these inventories? This is not the same game I used to play, I have always (and still do) filled my top row of my inventory with speed, fire res and strength potions and refills and that's pretty much it, the rest are for soup. A row of essentials and the rest SOUP for SOUP PVP.

    The excessive use of these new pvp tactics (the pickaxes, the gapples, the obsidian ect.) is also making it harder for new players, aspiring to compete with their team at KOTH. The amount of work they would have to put in just to get the p4 and potions is enough, but now, they have to worry about an extra set, pickaxes, gapples and obsidian. Players will start to loose interest in raid, as they see the amount of things they need to bring to KOTH is too hard to achieve.

    As most of you will remember, KOTH competitors went through a phase of 'bow boosting', because one player persuaded their whole team to use this tactic, the other teams have to follow what the opposing team were doing, otherwise they would loose KOTH. The 'bow boosting' was removed after a thread was made about it, and KOTHs have been better since. So why not do the same, and take action against this excessive use of items which are essentially ruining pvp on raid.

    Raid is a soup pvp server....
     
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  13. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    It's like p4 lost the value, if I remember right on spvp you couldn't use enderpearls.
     
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  14. NoHacksJustCooki

    NoHacksJustCooki Active Member

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    'I want to make a change, for once in my life' -Michael Jackson

    'Make that Change'

    2018-04-10_19.17.41.png My usual KOTH inventory lay out, may change slightly (Due to the demand of items) but this is what I would usually bring. Obviously I wouldn't wear iron to KOTH but yeah.
     
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  15. 0racle

    0racle Former Raid and Reports Manager

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    Yikes.

    But anyways, I honestly like all the different items in fights like sponges, webs etc, as it spices up fights and isn't one dimensional the entire time (imo). Debuffs could use a small Nerf imo as they are extremely annoying combined with other elements. In other words, I personally think the sponges and items are ok on their own but when combined together it is rather excessive as a whole. If there is a way to break them up a bit I think that would be fair.
     
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  16. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid's SMod | Raid & Events Manager

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    That wouldn’t work since you use soups while PvPing and you wouldn’t have 25 soups anymore.

    I’d say
    • Disable sponges within 512 blocks from spawn (without spawnprot)
    • Make it impossible to go back into spawn without spawnprot (only way to get back there would be to do /spawn)
      • This would also help noobs since they think they regain spawnprot if they enter spawn again, and less noobs would lose their stuff and quit.
    • Disable enderpearls completely or give them a higher cooldown and disable them within 1000 blocks away from spawn.
    • Make it 1.7 enchanting, that way p4 would be more rare and people wouldn’t afford to bring so many sets.
    • Nerf debuffs or remove them completely, they just ruin fights imo and make them less fun.
    • Possibly buff speed and strength from 1:30 min to 2:30 min, this would make fights more intense since you - and your opponent - don’t have to pot all the time
    • Create a grapple cooldown (I’ve suggested this before but no one likes it)
    The rest is fine imo
     
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  17. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member
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    Oh yeah, well then im not really sure.
     
  18. Tuumai

    Tuumai Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I knew that some people like it that way with cobwebs enderpearls and things like that. But, there are 2 main things on a raid, tracking, and pvping. Seems like a lot of people doesn't enjoy that and pvp is annoying so why wouldn't do something about this? In my opinion, the debuffs are fine here, you can just drink a milk.
     
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  19. Daveeeeeeeee

    Daveeeeeeeee Well-Known Member
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    Actually what about making it so you can't use these items why you are combat tagged. For example, you can't place cobwebs while you have the combat tag. Combat tag is a 30 second tag that you obtain after hitting or being hit by another player.
     
  20. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    Just remove enderperals so people cant kite any more. Then you will get 2 or 3 sets if you manage to kill somebody
     
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