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Either make changes or raid is dead.

Discussion in 'Raid' started by hoodrichwizard, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. hoodrichwizard

    hoodrichwizard New Member

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    I mean... It's so unbearably simple as to why raid is dying/dead. I actually cannot comprehend how some certain changes haven't been made. Raid is designed for people who already know what they're doing, and doesn't cater to new players whatsoever.

    KOTH is irrelevant, same 1 or MAYBE 2 teams win every time, new people cant even compete, so its not even an attraction to them. On top of that, the loot is just absurd. In my opinion, take P4 sets out of the loot rotation. Why would I waste 2 full sets fighting in koth, just to open the chest and get a P4 set back. Ah, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Only keep p4 sets for iron koth.

    Secondly, pigman and villager spawners. I mean, are we being serious? What operational brain would give the okay to allow VILLAGER AND PIGMAN SPAWNERS on a "survival based server?" That's something you'd see on an OP faction server. 1 villager spawner and I could have 40 p4 sets in a week. Take it out. This is just catering to people who already know what they're doing, and is keeping the rich people on the server rich, and someone who is new could never do this because, well, they cant even get a dragon egg because its a team event that they'll lose every time. I'm not here to spit out ideas or anything but maybe some FFA events so everyone has a chance, or literally just remove/rework loot based events.

    Tracking is also an issue. Literally nobody knows how to do it. People play this server like it's a single-player world. Someone told me yesterday "Well, i know how to get the Z coord, but the X coord is super confusing.." Meanwhile its literally the same exact thing as getting someones Z coord, it's just in a different direction. Old soup/tracking servers may begin to come back and people are ITCHING to play those, yet brawl raid exists? Why wouldn't those 100s of players just come on here instead of waiting for a server that may or may not even come out? It's because this server is completely messed up and I see no advancements being made. Also one of my vaults just randomly disappeared in the nether and Carno said "no, it wasnt raided, idk what happened, you'll have to wait for Eil to get it back." Maybe some more active staff would be nice too. And i'm sure a staff member will reply to this, like I've seen before, and say "Well, behind the scenes, we are constantly trying to find out ways to advance the server!" Oh ok man how's that treating you.
     
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  2. NinetyThree

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    Ok. Also maybe instead of removing p4 sets entirely from loot rotation, make it only available for iron koths and maybe the regular diamond s3 koth too.
    and buff some of the koth loot too. Ex) exp bottles and op books loot. mushroom, enderegg loot is also not that great.

    We don't have any staff that is willing to help make changes though. Hope we get more raid staff so changes will happen. Rips in chat for
    @Necromancer51572
     
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  3. hoodrichwizard

    hoodrichwizard New Member

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    begone ctf player
     
  4. NinetyThree

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    Name some staffs that are actually active.
    If you cannot name any, remove "some more" :grinning:
     
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  5. Colonel_Graff

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    Raid is a gamemode that requires a critical mass of players. There needs to be players to PVP against, sell to, buy from, track or build trackers, and team with or against. We have undoubtedly fallen below that critical mass in the last month or so.

    The mode becomes pointless when everyone is on one team and wins an uncontested KOTH, or clears out The End, or has no one else to track but teammates. When I’m on it’s usually just teammates (or Necro) so all I can do is collect stuff and sell it.

    The only option is to bump player counts up, but that costs money upfront and I doubt that will be done. Map resets can do this but player counts drop after the few weeks, and resetting the map that often would punish players that build trackers or wealth.

    I’ve seen the death spiral in the last year or so but don’t see a way out that Brawl can execute.
     
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  6. Necromancer51572

    Necromancer51572 Team Pork

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    I disagree with this. It is not unreasonable for maps to last 3 months. With some changes I have talked about, and more to come, this is doable. If these are implemented and the basic point of the gamemode is realigned with what it should be, then 2 month maps become very fin.

    It isn't worth it to make 40 protection 4 sets in such a short time, assuming villager spawners aren't a thing and haste 2 booster is fixed. So, now you make pvp more risk, and team fights will happen more often naturally, as players don't want to lose their few sets, and won't have gaps for days.

    As for trackers, I remember visiting this extremely in detail when discussing obby gens. It was about 92 minutes to mine a dub of obsidian in a perfect world, so let's call it 2 hours. For a simple 8 tracker. 500 narrow, no offset, it takes 105 stacks of obby, or about 233 minutes (3hrs 53mins). Teams are usually at least 4 players, making this 1hr of mining per player. This is not at a very big investment of time in my opinion.

    Tracking does take time, as it takes time to mine obsidian, however I think this time requirement is extremely inflated in people's heads. I hope to get staff on this server at some point in the future, and if I am so lucky, I want to teach players more about tracking so that it can be more casual.

    All in all, I think 2 month maps are fine and dandy. 2 weeks to grind ores and spawners, and then p4 pvp can begin. With some basic updates, I believe this can be quite enjoyable
     
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  7. CalledRainer

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    Just make a competition next map for the first 6 weeks and the most dominant team according to a point scala will receive 250$ decrease the cap to 5 so there are more teams competing. This definitely atttacts some tryhards from the old days and the additional ranks boosters cosmetics bought will definitely cover the 250$ @Eil

    Remember map 2 how hard certain players grinded for that lifetime rank? Just make it a competition for entire teams and you definiely will have at least 4 teams = 20 players
     
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  8. Carnotauros

    Carnotauros Raid's Mod | Events Manager

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    There are a lot of good points in this thread, many of which I agree with. Raid needs changes.

    @Ritzy and I are currently planning some larger changes to raid, we're still in the development stage (thread writing, discussing ideas etc.) and I do plan on making all changes we want (Ritzy and I) public to the community - so that you guys can have your input before anything actually gets changed (this will allow us to make changes that you actually want). You can expect a thread about that in the future.

    me

    ps. in the future, please divide your thread into paragraphs (so it's easier to read).
     
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  9. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    Custom Terrain
    No enderpearls at ALL
    No Villagerspawners (why even the **** did you promise it / even say it was a Thing in the reset thread when it wasnt removed)
    No Pigmenspawners / Portal Gold farms
    No mining Boosters AT ALL just remove them 100% . xp and 2x loot can stay as they are (as Long as pigmenspawners are no longer a Thing)
    and a Little bit of Price Money for the top 2 Teams, financed by the addidional Revenue from Boosters and ranks
    And finally PROPER ADVERTISEMENT. and dont tell me that the current map was advertised properly. The youtubers who uploaded raid Trailers have never played Raid some not even minecraft in General. WHy would they bring Players to raid.
     
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  10. Twhat

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    Btw someone Said that he raided My base in nether but i have never Lost one :grinning:
     
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  11. hoodrichwizard

    hoodrichwizard New Member

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    why is someone telling you i raided you relevant to why raid is dead
     
  12. Colonel_Graff

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    From CalledRainer:
    Custom Terrain -No will mess with resources
    No enderpearls at ALL -No
    No Villagerspawners (why even the **** did you promise it / even say it was a Thing in the reset thread when it wasnt removed) -Yes
    No Pigmenspawners / Portal Gold farms -YES
    No mining Boosters AT ALL just remove them 100% . xp and 2x loot can stay as they are (as Long as pigmenspawners are no longer a Thing) -NO this pays for the server
    and a Little bit of Price Money for the top 2 Teams, financed by the addidional Revenue from Boosters and ranks -? No
    And finally PROPER ADVERTISEMENT. and dont tell me that the current map was advertised properly. The youtubers who uploaded raid Trailers have never played Raid some not even minecraft in General. WHy would they bring Players to raid. -Yes
     
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  13. Necromancer51572

    Necromancer51572 Team Pork

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    That is insane, send proof to staff for xray check maybe? Either they are talking out their a** or they xrayed a base with a Twhat xp bottle.

    True then how will you make all your gold??

    No, this causes ore inflation and reduces playtime on the server. Ranks from new players pays for the server. Lifetime ranks are bad IMO.

    Afraid people will do better than you if they have a little incentive? Is not hard to be #1 if you are uncontested.

    HARD yes
     
  14. CalledRainer

    CalledRainer Well-Known Member

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    What valuable aspect do they add to Raid except making Cancer kiting easy as f*** when it is already easy enough without pearls?
    Well Chickenputty said that they would add them next map so /shrug
    When they break the servers ingame economy so badly to the point where players quit because it definitely does NOT Benefit the servers income alltogether.
    If there is a competition lasting for 2 months and "only" 2 new/og teams join the server to compete thats 10 Players and most of them will have to buy at least MVP to be able to keep up with other Teams. so thats already 300$ when there are only 10 Players. I guess that more would join if there was such an event. Just look at the playercounts of the first 2 months of Raid Map 2 compared to the entire Raid Map 1. For these 2 months the playercount tripled from 7-10 Players to 20-30 all day.
     
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  15. BrosBeforeHoes_

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    Is @CoCaptainBlue included ?
    Hes like the most active raid staff

    I also agree, staff arent really benefiting the economy. Why not get some of the old staff to come back. I have to say the staff rn arent exactly the best but I personally think they need to do better
     
  16. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Raid Jmod | Team Manta

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    I am active :smile:

    It is a good idea, however nearly all of raid old staff members are a lot older now. People like TwisterPvP & Speedcell have work and they wouldn't have time to staff raid.

    The current raid staff team are working on getting raid back up to glory.
     
  17. BrosBeforeHoes_

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    Better hurry alot of us are quitting
     
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  18. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Raid Jmod | Team Manta

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    We understand the need to have a fast pace. While we are trying to be quick, at the same time we want to get it right and make sure everything is included becuase as im sure you all know a reset is the primary time to add changes and make major updaes if there are any.
     
  19. CalledRainer

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    I would say a Christmas reset would be best. Everyone is at home and usually the weather outside isnt too great
     
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  20. CoCaptainBlue

    CoCaptainBlue Raid Jmod | Team Manta

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    Noted, Thank you for the advice
     
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