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Petition to rework archer

Discussion in 'Capture the Flag' started by RenegadeSpinda0, Nov 5, 2019.

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Keep headshots?

  1. Yes

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    87.5%
  2. No

    1 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. I don’t know

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  4. Let me spam my bow

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  1. RenegadeSpinda0

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    From chemist mains to pyro mains, we can all agree on one thing: archers are fricking annoying. This is why I propose a complete rework of archer.
    First, the buffs:
    Give knockback 1 to sword
    Give Healing shot: an apple in the inventory that when right clicked makes the next shot a healing arrow: gives regeneration 2 to any teammates hit, gives weakness to any opponent hit. Cannot hit yourself. Cooldown: 20 seconds
    Gives power 2 and infinity to bow.
    Quick shot passive ability: left clicking with bow shoots a full charged shot. Cooldown is 10 seconds

    Now the nerfs:
    No headshots
    Punch enchantment removed
    2 steak

    I would love you to add anything I might have missed
     
  2. GoodJobBud

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    Buff 1: Would be a good trade for Punch I on the bow.
    Buff 2: Seems pretty redundant, unless Nerf 3 is implemented.
    Buff 3: Again, preferable to Punch I.
    Buff 4: Maybe...
    Nerf 1: I would say keep headshots, but increase the distance to 40. Saves everyone a few hundred deaths per week.
    Nerf 2 & 3: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

    So overall, my new Archer would have its original armor, a bow with Power II + Infinity, a sword with Knockback I, 4 steak, and a headshot limit of 40 blocks. Getting close to the archer quick enough saves far more health with Power II than with a semi-decent archer that loves bowspam.
     
  3. Spades_

    Spades_ Least-Known-Well-Known Member

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    The annoying part for archer for me is the bow spam. The head shot is necessary
     
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  4. RenegadeSpinda0

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    So take away all enchantments but infinity?
     
  5. 1379ryan

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    Taking away headshots will just make archer too much like elf, but fixing bowspam wouldn’t be a bad idea
     
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  6. RenegadeSpinda0

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    Ah ok so keep headshots but make the bow only able to shoot with full charge?
     
  7. Salty_Ivan

    Salty_Ivan Well-Known Member

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    Headshots are an important element of the game that cannot just be taken away without something similar to compensate.
    They allow for long distance carrier kills provided the carrier is out in the open regardless of how much support they have, something that other typical recovery classes struggle with. If the carrier has a lot of support and isn't a squishy class then it is very hard to recover off them. Unless there is an Elf who is watching all the time then Archer is essential in these situations.

    Archer is also good for crowd control, breaking up offences and forcing the opposition to take inefficient routes.

    Bowspam isn't an issue in my opinion. It can be quite hard to dodge if they are good at it (not spamming right click but rather chaining low-powered shots), but it does take some practice to be able to chain a couple shots at close range, especially against classes with mobility.

    Archer is fine as-is.
    I think you need to stop complaining about everything you don't like about CTF.
     
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  8. Signifies

    Signifies Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a great class rework idea we should call it Elf.
     
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  9. 1379ryan

    1379ryan Member

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    Being able to shoot with only full charge is a bad idea, there are some shots that can only be made with less than a full charge
     
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  10. RenegadeSpinda0

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    I don’t actually want to rework archer. I just know that other people really hate the bowspam and being headshot.

    Homeboy ain’t wrong
     
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  11. Cardonation

    Cardonation CTF JMOD | Elf

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    I believe the headshot should be kept at all costs, the mechanic is too important to completely void. I like the idea of putting Knockback I on the sword and removing Punch I from the bow quite a bit. The healing shot doesn't fit Archer well as Elf does it better with Water Element. 2 Steak is too few as well; I would say 3 could be decent but Archer's healthpool is fine.
     
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  12. RenegadeSpinda0

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    T H A N C C
     
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